Religion and atheism

[bobquasit]

There's an interesting discussion going on over on Askville about religion. The asker's son is being indoctrinated by her fundamentalist mother-in-law, in violation of her stated wishes (and her husband's wishes, too).

"My inlaws are fundamentalist Christians and my husband and I are not."

One of the believers there brought up the old argument that atheists can't "know" that there is no God. My response:

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Atheists (most atheists - some may differ) say "There is no god" in the same way that a Christian says "There is no Zeus" or "There is no flying spaghetti monster". If disbelief in any imaginable entity required concrete proof of the non-existence of that entity, Christians would have to spend all of their lives trying to disprove the existence of the countless gods and other supernatural beings which have been dreamed up by humans over millennia. Not to mention the innumerable deities that could be imagined by people living today!

To suggest that disbelief in god(s) requires special proof of non-existence is to insist that belief in that god(s) is the default position - effectively, it is an attempt to force the non-believer to justify their non-belief based on the assumption that God is real. In other words, it's a classic "heads I win, tails you lose" argument. But it's not valid, as Christians show daily through their failure to justify their non-belief in any other god but their own.

Comments

[lolstapler.livejournal.com]

I actually call myself atheist.

I have no problem with what other people believe, that's their beliefs. I actually grew up in a Christian family. Both of my parents are strong God believers which is fine.

But as long as there's no concrete proof of God or any other God, this Atheists VS Christians (other religions) will continue to go on.

[janewilliams20.livejournal.com]

Their lack of belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is sad, but harms no-one but themselves. If they truly believed, then they too could enjoy the enhanced taste of their pasta that one gains once touched by His Noodly Appendage, but since that's an entirely subjective experience and hard to describe to the uninitiated...

sorry, I really must learn how to separate religion and satire.

Looking at that Askville coversation, I wonder if the parents are teaching their son about Father Christmas? Another supernatural being that one believes in as a child, then subjects to adult logic, and discards. Have you read "Hogfather"?